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savage1 · 12-07-2006, 09:15 AM

Beachboy and Lyle-great and insightful posts today.
My only comment and this is for Lyle is that before the advent of the internet, I believe by and large Vegas and especially local bookies had a huge advantage over the average bettor;I am not talking about the person who you describe who made it his profession to do all the legwork regarding injuries, etc.
For the most part the average bettor was stuck with whatever line his bookie gave him on Saturday and Sunday without ability to buy 1/2 points and certainly unless he lived in or had a contact in Vegas, he could not bet earlier in week to get a more fair line or at least a different line from the one he got on the weekend.
Today of course internet besides providing great information to even the more casual better also offers the bettor a number of offshores (this obviously has changed a bit since the feds efforts to make it more difficult to bet) which allow someone to bet whenever he wishes and with a variety of lines and perks,which only help.
Of course, Vegas has access to the same information and adjusts lines accordingly.
Still though, I would argue that with the great free information on the internet, the great FREE and sometimes paid picks(I mean paid picks in that the cappers are professional but bettors don't have to pay for them as they are posted for free on this forum and others) posted by those who do the legwork and/or successful for whatever reason, the average bettor has a better chance of winning and even more so considering that he doesn't have to pay for picks any more unless he so chooses.
That being said, I stil think the average bettor loses over time, but he will lose it more slowly.
As a corollary to all this and which was already alluded to by Lyle, the sports services like Feiner and a ton of other scamdicappers can no longer get away with their lies about their records as they did years ago before people were
able to communicate freely on sports forums about the REAL truth about their records.
I myself was sucked in a number of times by watching some of those saturday morninng shows, believing those 24-3 records touted by some of the touts and calling a 900 number and then going 1-4 and then seeing the next week on the show the capper didn't mention how he did or in some instances had the audacity to say he actually won the week before(remember many of the old 900 numbers had multiple extensions for receiving different sets of picks from the same capper, knowing full well that no one would use all of the extensions as that would be quite expensive;thus if questioned, they could always say they won overall even though a particular bettor had picked the "wrong" extension).
Ok-anyways I just wanted to give my 2 cents worth and again thanks for the interesting and informative posts today.

12-07-2006, 09:15 AM	#12 (permalink)
savage1 Degenerate Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,244	Beachboy and Lyle-great and insightful posts today. My only comment and this is for Lyle is that before the advent of the internet, I believe by and large Vegas and especially local bookies had a huge advantage over the average bettor;I am not talking about the person who you describe who made it his profession to do all the legwork regarding injuries, etc. For the most part the average bettor was stuck with whatever line his bookie gave him on Saturday and Sunday without ability to buy 1/2 points and certainly unless he lived in or had a contact in Vegas, he could not bet earlier in week to get a more fair line or at least a different line from the one he got on the weekend. Today of course internet besides providing great information to even the more casual better also offers the bettor a number of offshores (this obviously has changed a bit since the feds efforts to make it more difficult to bet) which allow someone to bet whenever he wishes and with a variety of lines and perks,which only help. Of course, Vegas has access to the same information and adjusts lines accordingly. Still though, I would argue that with the great free information on the internet, the great FREE and sometimes paid picks(I mean paid picks in that the cappers are professional but bettors don't have to pay for them as they are posted for free on this forum and others) posted by those who do the legwork and/or successful for whatever reason, the average bettor has a better chance of winning and even more so considering that he doesn't have to pay for picks any more unless he so chooses. That being said, I stil think the average bettor loses over time, but he will lose it more slowly. As a corollary to all this and which was already alluded to by Lyle, the sports services like Feiner and a ton of other scamdicappers can no longer get away with their lies about their records as they did years ago before people were able to communicate freely on sports forums about the REAL truth about their records. I myself was sucked in a number of times by watching some of those saturday morninng shows, believing those 24-3 records touted by some of the touts and calling a 900 number and then going 1-4 and then seeing the next week on the show the capper didn't mention how he did or in some instances had the audacity to say he actually won the week before(remember many of the old 900 numbers had multiple extensions for receiving different sets of picks from the same capper, knowing full well that no one would use all of the extensions as that would be quite expensive;thus if questioned, they could always say they won overall even though a particular bettor had picked the "wrong" extension). Ok-anyways I just wanted to give my 2 cents worth and again thanks for the interesting and informative posts today.