http://www.atstalk.com/ Players can discuss anything from sports betting to personal interests. en Sat, 25 May 2013 17:38:35 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.atstalk.com/images/misc/rss.png http://www.atstalk.com/ http://www.atstalk.com/showthread.php?63149-Ben-Burns-where-to-buy-his-picks&goto=newpost Wed, 03 Apr 2013 17:53:55 GMT Does he have his own website? I tried searching for it but couldn't come up with anything. Only third party sites.

Thanks in advance. ]]> Players Talk Sunday-at-One http://www.atstalk.com/showthread.php?63149-Ben-Burns-where-to-buy-his-picks http://www.atstalk.com/showthread.php?62587-Money-management&goto=newpost Sun, 10 Mar 2013 15:07:46 GMT The number 1 reason most gamblers lose is because they have no money management game plan.

Here is the system that I used for two years until I built up a nice size bankroll.

I am ready to show you how to rake in big profits month after month betting on sports!

If you've made it this far then you've made a REAL commitment to wanting to make a consistent amount of profits from wagering on sports.
First off let me start off by saying the sports cash system is truly one of the best sports systems out there. I've seen them all... I've been in this industry for years and I've watched all the scams, handicappers trying to swindle every dollar out of you, and the failed systems.

We wanted to create a system that put the sports bettor in the best position to win every time, period.

We analyze all the statistics, trends, and angles necessary on a daily basis to make our best pick of the day within our system.
I don't care what anyone says, but it's practically impossible to be a winner at the end of the year paying 10% vig (the commission all sportsbooks charge) and just flat betting the teams you "think are going to win" day after day. Sure, there are people who defy the odds and win at the end of the year, but 95% of people do not.

Most people just bet the same amount and bet based on gut feelings like their favorite team or a belief that one team is going to bet another for a REASON other than statistics.
What is flat betting ? Flat betting is just betting the same amount every game no matter what...
We don't do that! We use a great system and only make selections based on sound statitics, trends, and angles. Sure, we lose every now and then but our win rate is much higher than the average sports bettors/picker.

With that said, how do we win month after month using the sports cash system?

We perform a modern version of the martingale system (don't worry if you don't understand what the martingale system is yet, we are about to explain it step-by-step)

You see, we are experts at picking winners, but we learned that it's hard to consistently win month after month UNLESS we can have some type of system that puts you in the right positions on every bet.
Instead of EXPLAINING how our system works it's much easier to just show you an example.
Let's say your overall goal is to turn your hobby of sports betting into a hobby that ensures you are profiting $1000 a month, not a bad goal for average sports bettors..

30 days in a month * $50 = $1500

So, you HAVE to make sure you win $50 a day 20 out of 30 days (20 units x 50 = $1000) in the month from your wagers no matter what in order to profit $1000 per month.

Well, this is how you do it... Here's our modified version of the martingale system...

This is a 4 bet series in which you pick a starting betting amount that you're comfortable with. Then If we lose a bet, you simply multiply your starting betting amount by 2.1 and bet that amount on the next game. Once we win a bet, you go back down to the original stake.


This is really simple to understand... Let's say you're comfortable with starting at the $50 level. You're comfortable with the bankroll requirements and you feel that's a good point to start.
This is how the system would work for you
Bet #1:
YOU BET $55 TO WIN $50
LET'S SAY BET #1 WAS A WINNERGREAT!!! For tomorrow you'd bet the same amount ... $55 to win $50
So tomorrow... you start at Bet #1 again:
YOU BET $55 to win $50 AGAIN

Except lets say this time we have some bad
luck and we LOSE... Don't panic!

Tomorrow we will put all our effort into picking a winner .. if we lose the day before we try twice as hard to pick an absolute winner...We use a lot of statistics, trends, and angles to make our picks.

For tomorrow you will bet DOUBLE that amount. So you multiple $55 by 2.1 ... your bet tomorrow will be will be $115 to win $105
Bet #2 in the system ends up being a winner !!! We are back on track and now go back to the original amount for bet #1 for tomorrow... You'd go back to betting $55 to win $50 ... get it?

But just for the sake of example.. lets say if bet #2 would of lost.. then we have to double the risk amount again... Your RISK amount for the next day would be $240 (bet #3) .... If we END up losing that game (VERY RARE) then you'd have to double up to bet #4 which would mean for bet #4 you'd have to risk $504.

If we ever do get to bet #4 you can trust we are putting all of our concentration and resources into picking a winner... it has happened before but it's very rare we go past bet 1 or bet 2...

We only recommend doubling down to get up to bet #4... at that point if we lose 4 bets in a row (EXTREMELY RARE... has only happened 2 times in our history) then the system busts and you have to start over.
This system works because you are CONSTANTLY ensuring that you are winning and NEVER LOSING. If we
don't win one bet, then you simply times your stake by 2.1 to pick up the loss from the last bet.

I know you may be thinking right now "this is stupid.. all you're doing is
chasing/doubling your bet every time until you win.."

Well friend, I got news for you.. when you have a team of sports picking experts examining over valuable information, trends, and stats for the ABSOLUTE best picks of the day everyday you simply WILL NOT be a loser at the end of the month.

You can get these picks free by following me in the proper forum at this website.

Our team takes is PERSONAL when we pick a loser... we HATE losing!
We advise all of our clients to have at least FOUR bet's for the stake they want.
For example, if you want to make $400-500 a month profit from wagering sports, then your bankroll has to look like this.
Bet #1 : $27.50| Bet #2 : $57.75 | Bet #3 : $121.27 | Bet #4 : $254.66
>> Total Bankroll: $461.18 <<
If you want to make around $1000 a month then your bankroll needs to look like this:
Bet #1 : $55.00| Bet #2 : $115.5 | Bet #3 : $242.55 | Bet #4 : $509.35
>> Total Bankroll: $922.40 <<
I understand there's a lot of people that simply don't have $500-$1000 to invest in this system.. that's completely fine. We suggest that you start out lower and slowly build up and re-invest your profits until you reach the level you want to be at. The most popular level to start with on this system is $10, which would look something like this:
Bet #1 : $11.00| Bet #2 : $23.10 | Bet #3 : $48.51 | Bet #4 : $101.87
>> Total Bankroll: $184.48 <<

The great part of the system is your bankroll will grow very fast! You could start at the $10 or $20 bet level and be up to betting $50 or $100 per game for bet #1 within one to two months! The opportunity with this system is very big, even for small bettors.

Why is using the sports cash system better then just flat betting $50 or $100 a game
every single game and betting who you think is going to win?

Well, if you just flat bet $50 or $100 a game everyday, it's hard to win overall paying the VIG (the commission all sportsbooks charge). If you follow this system, as long as we can win 1 in every four games, you are GUARANTEED to win PROFIT every single month. The only way we can lose is if we lose 4 games in a row.


Our team of experienced bettors have been trying different strategies, system, and ways of betting for years, and this system has proven to be the most profitable and reliable. ]]> Players Talk universalist1949 http://www.atstalk.com/showthread.php?62587-Money-management http://www.atstalk.com/showthread.php?62406-Hockey-regulation&goto=newpost Sat, 02 Mar 2013 12:58:44 GMT I did a search for this but came up short.Can anyone tell me if you wager on a hockey game regulation only,no ot,and it ties in regulation,is it no action or a loss?Thanks I did a search for this but came up short.Can anyone tell me if you wager on a hockey game regulation only,no ot,and it ties in regulation,is it no action or a loss?Thanks ]]> Players Talk Sodbuster http://www.atstalk.com/showthread.php?62406-Hockey-regulation http://www.atstalk.com/showthread.php?60996-Admin-people-can-not-sign-up-or-get-a-new-password&goto=newpost Wed, 26 Dec 2012 20:22:32 GMT Admin people can not sign up or get a new password because you can not put in a image 6 didgits verification code can you please fix it get back to me Admin people can not sign up or get a new password because you can not put in a image 6 didgits verification code can you please fix it get back to me ]]> Players Talk sportman3 http://www.atstalk.com/showthread.php?60996-Admin-people-can-not-sign-up-or-get-a-new-password http://www.atstalk.com/showthread.php?60949-Start-Kapernick-or-Russell-Wilson&goto=newpost Sun, 23 Dec 2012 21:27:54 GMT Should I start Kapernick or Wilson? Should I start Kapernick or Wilson? ]]> Players Talk bobbyt http://www.atstalk.com/showthread.php?60949-Start-Kapernick-or-Russell-Wilson http://www.atstalk.com/showthread.php?60121-NavaraSports-Anyone-dealt-with-them&goto=newpost Sat, 17 Nov 2012 04:30:49 GMT Have been looking at them and looked at the service play forums but no one is posting. I am thinking of getting them and posting them this weekend...has anyone ever dealt with them in the past? Have been looking at them and looked at the service play forums but no one is posting. I am thinking of getting them and posting them this weekend...has anyone ever dealt with them in the past? ]]> Players Talk moyervsglavine http://www.atstalk.com/showthread.php?60121-NavaraSports-Anyone-dealt-with-them http://www.atstalk.com/showthread.php?60057-Marc-Lawrence-s-GOY&goto=newpost Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:47:21 GMT Does anyone know the history of Lawrence's GOY? At least NC posts a record. I recall taking Texas as his GOY a couple years ago and losing. Any info/past experiences would be appreciated. He lost on his GOM last month with TCU. NC was on Okie St. I passed.

Please don't bother to reply with "They always lose" or "Just fade him" posts, I already know that. I'm interested in the actual past history.
Thanks! ]]> Players Talk Prof101 http://www.atstalk.com/showthread.php?60057-Marc-Lawrence-s-GOY http://www.atstalk.com/showthread.php?60022-wayne-root-check-ths-out-IDIOT&goto=newpost Tue, 13 Nov 2012 01:26:52 GMT THIS IS COPIED FROM WINNINGEDGE.COM, ROOTS SITE WHAT WAS THAT KSTATE/TCU SCORE AGAIN???? SATURDAY AND SUNDAY: Wayne Wins 3 OF 4 Top Plays!! SATURDAY PINNACLE: TCU LOSES BY LESS THAN a TD GETTING +7 POINTS vs K-ST. THIS IS COPIED FROM WINNINGEDGE.COM, ROOTS SITE WHAT WAS THAT KSTATE/TCU SCORE AGAIN????



SATURDAY AND SUNDAY:
Wayne Wins 3 OF 4 Top Plays!!

SATURDAY PINNACLE:
TCU LOSES BY LESS THAN a TD GETTING +7 POINTS vs K-ST.

SATURDAY INNER CIRCLE:
SYRACUSE DEFEATS LOUISVILLE 45-26 for an OUTRIGHT WINNER

SUNDAY PINNACLE:
CINCINNATI DEFEATS NY GIANTS 31-13 for an OUTRIGHT WINNER

SUNDAY INNER CIRCLE:
NEW ORLEANS UPSETS ATLANTA 31-27 for an OUTRIGHT WINNER ]]> Players Talk ladyluck http://www.atstalk.com/showthread.php?60022-wayne-root-check-ths-out-IDIOT http://www.atstalk.com/showthread.php?59753-The-New-Sebastian-Picks-and-Scam-Thread&goto=newpost Thu, 01 Nov 2012 14:58:43 GMT As most of you know by know, because of server problems this site went down for a week and all threads and posts and threads written/started since 2/12 were inadvertently deleted including what was written about Sebastian. This also included my record keeping and commentary about Sebastian since... As most of you know by know, because of server problems this site went down for a week and all threads and posts and threads written/started since 2/12 were inadvertently deleted including what was written about Sebastian.
This also included my record keeping and commentary about Sebastian since that date which also included the record keeping since 5/25/12 when he made that infamous "I implore you to buy my picks" statement, the results of which have ended in disaster.
When I first became aware that all of the posts had been deleted and would not be retrieved, I was pissed off and could not understand how such an egregious error had been made and because I no longer had the EXACT records since 5/25.
In the previous thread I initially decided to toss in the towel because it hurt that my careful record keeping had been lost as well as my commentary.
However, upon further review and checking my notes, I decided the following:
1) To take my initial attitude would simply be making everything about me rather than Sebastian which is not my intent.
2) By doing nothing moving forward, I would be simply making it easier for Sebastian to have less accountability as he would know that no one would be monitoring him and doing commentary.
Believe me when I tell you that he visits this forum-he even made a comment out once on one of the tapes that he didn't care for the folks who sent him anonymous emails and for the person who bashed him post after post on the internet(that means me as I know of no other thread like this one).
3) I went back through my notes and have always had in my his approximate record and what he was down since 5/25 at $100 a unit and $200 a unit, how many games under 500 he was and the number of winning days as opposed to the number of losing days.
In short, if the exact record is off by a game or two, who really cares-in the short and long run it is how he has done and how he presents his record which matter.
4) I noticed right after last Saturday when I made the announcement that I would not be continuing, that he immediately tried to take advantage of the situation by throwing out THREE 300 unit plays on Sunday, something he hasn't done in many, many months.
I also believe that this week's 1000 unit Monopoly Money Play is at least partially the result of his feeling and knowing that not much will be made of it if it loses and also that there will be not much negative commentary if any in advance of it.
5) I just think that in general it is a good idea to have a new thread as the previous one is a bit long in the tooth and is over 3 1/2 years old.
If anyone wants to know how the original thread got started, go back an read the first post in original thread as it epitomizes Sebastian, namely that not only is he a liar and scamdicapper but also a deceptive/lying self-serving con artist in his life and ventures outside of scamdicapping.

Anyways, moving on and to review for those of you who may be new and not accustomed to Sebastian's ways, the purpose of this thread will be to update the record of Sebastian beginning on 5/25/12 as well as commentary to give you an indication as how a real scamdicapper operates as well as giving out his picks if we have access to them.
Feel free at any time to add any commentary you have and even if you disagree with something stated here.

Fo those of you who forgot and/or haven't read the infamous post made on 5/25/12, Sebastiab who hadn't been doing well at all, had an alert stating that he had some privileged information and IMPLORED people to start playing his baseball ALL for 1 unit or 2 units and that the person would make a "small fortune."
Well, to make a long story short, I monitored these plays as well as anything else he added and kept everything at 1 unit($100 a play).
For a while, he stuck to what he said and didn't up the units, but when he started to fall further and further behind, he gradually began to include 200 units and then 300 units, 400 units, 500 units, 700 units and now a 1000 unit play.
This is unacceptable and amounts to chasing with Monoply Money and breaks HIS OWN rules which he himself established on 5/25-if he was ahead, the fine, but that is far from the case.

Anyways, here are the current reconstructed stats, which include the ones I compiled since the site went down and includes all of his baseball series plays also and everything at $100 a unit-if anyone feels these are inaccurate please state-I think they are within 1%.
I have his overall record through today as 313-373-7 and MINUS 97 units and MINUS 9,700 at $100 a play and MINUS $19,400 at $200 a play.
His overall winning percentage is a dismal 45.6% which if anything is oversatted.
There have been approximately 55 winning days, 95 losing days and 2 break even days since this laughable venture began on 5/25.

ps Lest there be any misunderstanding here, I have no vendetta against Sebastian, have never bought his plays and have been following him first as a radio talk show host and as a handicapper for 11 years plays.
Also, I have followed the sports service in general since they began in the mid to laye 70's and now how they operate and all of the tricks they use-Sebastian is a master of this and how to use trickery and deception-the only problem is that I am actually a few years older than Sebastian and what he does is obvious-of course I will continue to call the shots as I see them.
Anyways, thats it-thanks to those who took the trouble to read all of this. ]]> Players Talk savage1 http://www.atstalk.com/showthread.php?59753-The-New-Sebastian-Picks-and-Scam-Thread