ServiceKing

Don't ever give those bastards your #. Even if you block caller ID they still get it. You should return the book with dog shit beetween the pages and mister zen will probably clean it and send to someone else.

savage1

El Jefe- Thanks for providing that story.
I am not at all surprised, as that devious turd will use any tactics to get you to call or better yet to get your phone number.
I wouldn't expect Root to live up to his word and send you the book you were promised, nor that he wouldn't stoop so "low" as to give his "prized" autograph other than to anyone who would pay for it or at least buy his miserable picks.
The Discovery Station hopefully will be a good channel for those who watch it to "discover" what a fraud and self-serving, arrogant jerk he really is.
By the way, for some reason I haven't checked his crappy company(Gwin-symbol gwni) stock in a long time.
I just checked it and see that it closed at its customary .03 with ZERO volume;well at least Root can take pride in the fact that the closing price of the stock is still higher than that of his personality which at best is .02.

savage1

Once again no volume today. Surely with all of the "millions" Root/Feist are making for themselves and customers, someone would decide to ante up and purchase some shares of this "gem" at the "bargain" price of .03.

El Jefe

Time to load up on the stock before all the money for football picks starts rolling in!

savage1

You would have to be pretty "loaded" all right to buy stock in that sinking turd of a company at any price. Whats there to like about a Root/Feist merger anyways-two of the biggest marketing scamdicappers of our time?

BadCo

Never pay for a tout sevice...ever.




Scamdicappers are a person or group of people that no much more about high pressure selling than they know about handicapping sporting events and they’ll utilize that skill to con anyone out of their money with no remorse or conscious whatsoever.

They’re after your money and absolutely don’t know more than you when it comes to wagering on sports. Make mo mistake about that. These people are lowlifes and skilled con men that would trade their mother for a cigar.

Our philosophy in regards to sport handicapping services is very simple and it goes like this: Anyone who charges for picks is a con, end of story. There are no exceptions to this rule, none. In this day and age anyone can wager as much as they want on the outcome of a game and if they knew as much as they claim they would do just that instead of trying to get your credit card number. If they hit at a rate of 70% or more, as they claim, they would be millionaires 10 times over and sure as hell wouldn’t be looking for a 50-dollar bill from you. Don’t be fooled by their outrageous claims of 75% winners or more. Those claims are all lies, lies and more lies. They don’t have inside information, they don’t know anything more about how the outcome of a specific game is going to turn out anymore than you do and quite frankly, they likely know a lot less than you do. What they do know is how to talk, how to sell, and how to sniff out a client that’s on a losing streak that’s extremely vulnerable at the moment. Don’t bite and don’t ever seek the assistance of a sports tout service. In that regard, they may as well be trying to sell you winning lottery numbers because that’s pretty much the extent of their skill level.

One of the most common ploys of these scumbags is to give out both sides of a game and thus, ensuring 50% of the callers will receive a winner and as a result, those 50% will fork out more money next week. The following week they’ll do the same and now 25% of the people that have called have gone 2-0 and are now ready to hand out big bucks. Hopefully, you’ll be one of those people that went 0-1 and won’t be conned into dishing out more money. Again, if you’re using a service right now, drop them and take your wins or losses and lose the phone number. If they call, hang up the phone and keep repeating doing so until they leave you alone, which incidentally, may take months. Remember, there is no such thing as a lock or a Game Of the Year or anything else that remotely suggests you cannot lose. Fact is, you will lose and that’s guaranteed.

Another common ploy is to sell you a game in which you pay only after you win. That’s very nice and it’s also very enticing, after all, what do you have to lose? You see, the same tactic will be used, that being the tout service will give half the players one side and the other half the other side, thus guaranteeing themselves that 50% of the people that called will pay for the pick, not to mention the next week when they tell you how they proved themselves to you and now, with a winner in your back pocket, they’ll demand you pay for this weeks “Blowout of the Year”.

Nobody wins 70% or better, nobody and to think they do is utterly foolish and naïve thinking on your part. In the history of sports handicapping contests held in Las Vegas or elsewhere, not a single winner in 25 years of documented contests have hit at a rate of 65% over an entire season of one sport. It’s never happened before yet there are hundreds of services that claim they hit at 70% or better. It’s simply ludicrous to believe that and the best thing you can do is take out advice and never seek out the assistance of any service that charges for picks.

husker

In the history of sports handicapping contests held in Las Vegas or elsewhere, not a single winner in 25 years of documented contests have hit at a rate of 65% over an entire season of one sport.



this is the the one statement everyone should remember!

savage1

The good thing is that before the advent of the internet, scamdicappers like Jack Price, Stu Feiner, Wayne Root, Jim Feist, etc. used to get away with their lies about winning percentage to a great extent.
Now with the open communication amongst people who post, people have found that what these jerks have said about their records for years just ain't so, and they and deceitful tactics and lies have been exposed.
So what a lot of them do now instead like Rob(my customers)OUTHouse, Loser Lang, etc. is to try to build support and credibility by offering million star locks etc, which are of course monopoly money play ratings, and which are given only to try to make the service look good and put them in the black for all to see(except some of us who have been around a while).

BadCo

THE COMMON TRAPS




The "Game of the Year" Scam
Do you ever watch some of these handicappers on the weekends on TV? How come these guys always seem to have a "game of the year", an "NFC Lock of the Year", a "5 Star 100% Guaranteed Game of the Year", etc., etc. The reason is that they are salesmen, not true handicappers. Lots of hype, lots of sales pitches but not much on substance.

The "Get Tonight's Winner -- Free" Scam
This is basically the old "bait and switch" scam. You get the pitch about some great handicapper. They provide an 800 number that you are supposed to call, where they ask for your phone number. That is followed up by some pushy guy who claims to be calling from either Vegas or New York telling you that they can't prove themselves with just one pick and that you need to give them $200. For that $200, they will provide selections and tell you how much to bet until you make $1000. They get your money and then you need to trust these folks to bring it home for you. It goes up from there. These guys are unregulated and their claims are rarely verified. It doesn’t matter what they claim, nobody does better than 66%. These shady people’s only motivation is to make sales and take your money. They'll tell you that they have "inside information from the locker room". Yeah right. These guys are good at pestering their clientele for their money. That's it.

The "Guaranteed Winner" Scam - The "Honest Guys"
This one kills me. Let's talk about the honest guys first:
Even if your handicapper is on the level, the prices are so steep, you need to bet higher than your comfortable with just to make a profit. When they win, you win, but much less than you bet. When they lose, you pay them nothing, but now you've lost 110% of your original bet. Let's compare services:

For those of you using "Guaranteed Winners" Services, let's say the price per game is $35 (which is low, but I'm being conservative). Let's give these guys the benefit of the doubt that they will win 66% of the time. In a professional handicappers contest in 2001, the winner was at 68%. Let's see what you would win over 60 bets of $100. At 66% success rate (which is HIGHLY UNLIKELY FOR ANYONE), you will win 40 of these bets. That would mean, you would win $4000 minus $1400 for your service fees which nets you $2600. This also means you would lose 20 bets which means you lose $2000 + $200 juice (at 10%). This nets you a Grand Total win of $400. Looks like the only guarantee here is that your service will win big!!

Let's look at what buying 3 picks for $300 will do for you. For $300 you get a minimum of 3 picks per week at a winning percentage of over 58%. At 58% winning percentage, you will win 35 out of the 60 bets which equates to $3500. At 58% you will lose 25 games which equates to $2500 + $250 juice (at 10%). Your Grand Total minus $60 for buying picks at $100/pick would be $690.

The "Guaranteed Winner" Scam
If you make your money (and only source of income) when you win, then wouldn't it make sense to give half of your clientele one side of a game and give the other half of the clientele the other side. That would give you some guaranteed income as half of the clientele is likely to use you again. This scam is the worst there is and it is widely used! By giving someone a ‘guaranteed winner’, half will get winning picks, half will get losing picks. When the winners call back, they do it again. Give half of them one side, the other half the other team and the cycle continues. Out of the people who won the 1st time, half of them will call back and so on and so on and son on….

The bottom line is that you shouldn’t be taken as a fool. These people make absurd claims about inside information, trends and systems, special injury info, etc. It is all a bunch of bull. Please, use your common sense here. If they call, email you or contact you in any way, tell them you’re not interested under any conditions and then go back to your own systems of handicapping. The end result will be much better for you.

savage1

I just checked the Root Company share price(Company is Gwin and symbol is gwni.)
The price is down to 2 1/2 cents-which is about the same as what Root's personality is worth.
I wouldn't be surprised if this company is in big trouble-the stock price would sure indicate that.
On the other hand, how can one be surprised when a rank amateur like Root, who can't pick his nose, is in charge?

Lyle Langley

Husker,
I don't know where you got this "caveat", but it is incorrect.

And, you don't have to go too far to disprove it. How about last year's Hilton Super Book Contest?

The top two contestants finished above 65% with #1 at 69.9% for the NFL season.

http://www.jimfeist.com/Contests/Hil...est.aspx?FT=TP

It can happen, but hitting over 65% is very, very rare. (I'm not trying to be an ass, I just don't like blanket statements that are incorrect)

Lyle Langley

Oops, sorry, Husker. I just realized that quote came from Badco.


Badco,

Another statement of yours is incorrect:
"Anyone who charges for picks is a con, end of story. There are no exceptions to this rule, none."

That is a stupid statement.

While most of the stuff you wrote is correct, I have bought picks from honest services (yeah, I also have bought picks from scammers!)

I also believe there are honest attorneys out there!

husker

lyle, you have to admit that services only tell people about the good runs and not the bad runs. this is very deceptive and some can easily think of it as a con.

i have a dislike for most attorneys but at least there is some oversight of them.
sites like this are the only oversight for services and few gamblers know about it.

i read somewhere that a Vegas radio host had a standing challenge to anyone that could win 65% for the nfl season. he would put up $200,000 to the challengers $100,000. he has never had a taker! that should be easy money for all the HONEST services.

Lyle Langley

Who ever said honest services hit 65%? I said basically just the opposite in an earlier post.

savage1

The stock is holding at around.025. Any Wall Street investment Bankers have any opinions on this one(gwni?). lol

husker

i just posted that to show NO service has any confidence in their plays to take the offer (many of their promotions say they always win ridiculous %'s).

still would like to know the honest monitored services that have won consistantly if you have had time to get accurate results.

Lyle Langley

Husker,
I haven't forgotten, will try and get it done soon.

I don't know anybody that would be stupid enough to guarantee they will hit 65% in a season. I have seen ads for scammers that make outrageous claims.

Those are the guys who should be arrested, not a British citizen running an offshore book in Costa Rica.

husker

i said almost the same thing at another forum. i would MUCH rather see the govt. go after all services and hold them accountable for the claims they make and make them be documented. this would get rid of most of them. most of the os books aren't scamming people, they don't have to to make money.

husker

many services make guarantees that they know they probably won't hit. win today or tomorrow is free. hit 65%(they can pick any %) this month or next month is free. 65% for football or basketball is free. it doesn't cost them anything and after people loose they either don't have any money left or don't want their plays. if the service gets lucky and wins they get more money out of you.

Lyle Langley

I agree with you Husker. I never liked services that do the additional picks for free if today's picks don't win.

El Jefe

Short it if you can!